I was flipping through Wikipedia when I hit the article Writings of D.M. Murdock. It stuck out. It’s an odd title, and there is no Wikipedia article about D.M. Murdock herself. Murdock, under her pen name Acharya S, had a biography for years; however, she has been at the heart of a controversy fundamental to Western civilization: was Jesus real? If any topic can bring detractors, it’s the very suggestion of it.
According to her site, she has a degree in Classics from Franklin and Marshall College and attended the American School of Classical Studies at Athens.
Murdock/Acharya has to date written five scholarly books that argue Jesus Christ is a myth, beginning with The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold. Subsequent books delve further into explaining how the story of Christ was recycled from other mythologies, and they address criticism about her or her research, which she stands by.
From Writings of D.M. Murdock:
Acharya describes the New Testament as a work of mythic fiction within a historical setting. The story of Christ, she maintains, is a retelling of various pagan myths, representing “astrotheology,” or the story of the Sun and also incorporates the science of archaeoastronomy. She asserts the pagans understood the stories to be myths, but Christians obliterated evidence to the contrary by destroying and controlling literature when they attained control of the Roman Empire, which led to widespread illiteracy in the ancient world, ensuring the mythical nature of Christ’s story was hidden.
She argues that the canonical gospels represent a middle to late 2nd-century CE creation utilizing Old Testament “prophetic” scriptures as a blueprint, in combination with a collage of other, older Pagan and Jewish concepts, and that Christianity was thereby fabricated in order to compete with the other popular religions of the time.
Murdock continues to write a column as Freethought Examiner. Below are five questions for her.
Five Questions: Different people, same questions
Q. What is one thing you think every American should know?
A. Every American should know that they are protected by the greatest Constitution the world has so far created and that their freedoms must not be taken for granted but must be fought for. As American Founding Father Thomas Jefferson was reputed to say, “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.”
Q. If you had the option to have been born another nationality than your current one, which nationality would you choose?
A. I have a big soft spot for ancient Greece, and I would have loved to have been active in the creation of the classical Greek civilization. It would have been amazing to be in ancient Egypt as well. As concerns modern countries, New Zealand would be lovely, I imagine. Everyone loves New Zealanders. I rather like India as well. There are many fascinating cultures and places on planet Earth.
Q. What is one misconception people have about you?
A. Many people think I am an atheist or anti-religious. I do not label myself either an atheist or a theist, and I have a tremendous appreciation for religion, so long as its meaning and origins are understood. Unfortunately, very few people are truly aware of the roots of religious ideology, so what we see manifested is often the pathology of religion, and that is all I am really criticizing. The rest of my work is designed to show the great beauty of human culture dating back thousands of years.
Q. Is there anyone’s death, either in your life or in popular culture, whose passing you were surprised by how profoundly it affected you?
A. The profundity of how my mother’s death affected me was not surprising. The most surprising sense of loss, probably, was over the death of Princess Diana. Although I liked what I knew about her before her death, I was under the false impression that she was somewhat shallow and superficial. It occurred to me after she was killed just how deep and caring a human being she was. Diana was extremely innocent and trusting; yet, she was also incredibly powerful and had been born into a world-changing role. Amazing woman, really. Her death was the end of the glamour age for royalty. I hoped that the massive globally mourning would have pulled people together, but it seems not at all. I hate to think that her life and death were for nothing. Ditto with my mom and every individual who has contributed light and love to planet Earth.
Q. In life we often have goals that we feel as if would just die if we don’t reach them. Sometimes we reach them, sometimes we don’t. The question is, have you ever worked to fulfill a goal, only to find that once you achieved it, the experience was a let down? It meant something to you when you did not have it. Then you obtained it and, after the initial excitement, you thought to yourself, “Is that all there is?” Have you ever had an experience like that?
A. LOL! Of course, I have had many disappointments in life. It’s an ongoing thing. We try not to be negative, so instead we set high hopes and positive wishes; yet, the reality frequently shortchanges our desired outcome. That’s how life is. Thus, in order to keep that zest for life alive, we must look to smaller pleasures for a sense of excitement and accomplishment, while relishing that occasional grand achievement we may be fortunate to attain.
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I read on some forum where a Christians claimed that Acharya S has an entity ‘with’ and ‘helping’ her, is that true?
Thank you, everyone, for your kind regards! I am most delighted to know that I could be of some service and that you enjoyed my interview, as well as my work.
I had to step in to say something here, as concerns the absurd idea that I have an “entity” helping me.
No, Shane. It’s not true – it’s a completely ridiculous notion made up by individuals obviously with nothing better to do than start malicious rumors and smear others. People will say anything to deflect off the real topic – I have heard every lie in the book.
And what is an “entity?” Is the holy ghost not an “entity?” If Jesus is talking to his “father” while on the cross and elsewhere, is he not communicating with an “entity?” Is not every other person on the planet who prays communicating with an “entity?” It’s just a question of competition, isn’t it? “My entity is bigger and better than your entity.”
You will never know what I am really about unless you read my books. Listening to silly people who do not know me or my work will not yield any answers to your questions.
http://TruthBeKnown.com
http://StellarHousePublishing.com
If you are Greek, you really should get in touch with your Greek heritage – it’s a very fascinating history. One of my favorites, in fact. I spend a great deal of time reading ancient Greek.
If you are afraid of my work, please feel free to read something else. I find what I am bringing to the surface to be absolutely fascinating, as it represents the true history of religion dating back thousands of years.
As concerns the Southern Cross, Robert, no, I had nothing to do with that part of “Zeitgeist.” If you would like to read more about astrotheology – which is not only logical but also the reality of the ancient world – you can start with this article:
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/astrotheology.html
As my books show, the ancient religions were largely based on astrotheology. These facts are more or less widely known within the field of mythology. I studied the astrotheology of Greek mythology beginning in childhood.
Enjoy!
Acharya S
Acharya S. is totally awesome. Her book “Christ Conspiracy” should be passed out free to christians, especially the fundamentalists. It answered the questions in my personal endeavor to find out the origins of christianity and the reasons we believe what we do. She lays it all out in an understandable and intelligent way and shows where to go to verify what she says. It doesn’t get better than that for someone who wants to know the who,what, where, when, why, and how of the religion they were raised in. I can’t thank her for her efforts enough. I’ve given away several copies of “Christ Conspiracy” to people whom I thought should be shown ‘the light’ before they continued damaging everyone around them. I still buy new copies of the book when the one I have starts falling apart from use. What a wonderful researcher she is! More power to her!
Hi Acharya S
Thank you for clearing up this business about an ‘entity’ I believe you and will call the so called Christian who suggested this a liar. It was on a youtube vid comment which is hardly an authority. The reason it is meaningful to me is that I was a practicing clairvoyant before becoming a Christian and I am sure you know where most Christians would stand on the notion of an accompanying ‘entity’ in your corner. It must be hurtful when things like this are said about people publicly.
As I mentioned I am half Greek, my Dad is an Aussie and I went to Greece when I was 19 with priceless memories. I felt like I belonged there, it is hard to describe. My mum was born in Argos and I stayed in Nafplion and saw her home that she has never been back to see. I went to Athens, Sparta, Corinthos and Cyprus. I speak some modern Greek and I love ancient history, both Greek and Egyptian. Anyway this is not a travel blog but they are good memories for me.
I am not afraid of your work, for as long as I can remember I have been fascinated with truth, great mysteries of the world, UFO’s God, ghosts, etc. I have come to ask many questions of Christianity over the last few months and I can’t explain why, and my journey has found its way here, to your work. I must explore the Jesus myth/copy cat further. I have always said that if Christianity is true then it can stand any test. Thank you.
It was never my intention to leave a comment, but so many have the mistaken belief that they really exist, including Acharya.
Thank you Terry Says: for your interpretation of Atheism. I agree completely of your analysis. My feeling is that many of us dislike using the term Atheist because of the stigma attached to it historically and in our present day. It is time that our culture gets used to the term and understands its meaning. The only way I see this happening is for us all to get it out of the closet and shout it out, followed by a big “Horse laugh.”
Arhata says:Cut the tread of ‘atheism’for freedom from ideologies and you’ll see
the difference! Atheism is still a ‘belief’….perhaps you erroneously call yourself an atheist ….hmmmmm?!
I have heard of this definition of Atheism as a belief and it usually comes from Theists. Can you give me a better word for “There is no God.” I am not a Deist, nor an agnostic I don’t believe in Atheism I disbelieve in Theism. How much clearer can that be. I am tired of hearing it said that Atheism is “still a belief” The stigma associated with the term Atheism scares a lot of people and so they look to find a reason not to use the term.
Thankyou Acharya S. for all the research and years of studying to bring forth the truth that lies behind the myths that have been passed on through history. I first became aware of your work from watching your interview on Conscious Media Network. Your work is so enlightening and timely. I am so grateful for the clarity and historic value that you are bring forth to our human consciousness.
@ Shane
Read what real historical Jesus scholars and historians say about Jesus. James D.G. Dunn is a good example in ‘Jesus Remembered’. For more lay people works – maybe something by Dr John Dickson such as ‘The Christ Files’. You will notice that their thorough scholarly method is a far cry from Acharya’s self-published works.
Regarding Egyptian religion, you could contact some prominent Egyptologists such as those at Macquarie University in NSW Australia. Or, alternatively, get your hands on the ‘Routledge Dictionary of Egyptian Gods and Goddesses’ by George Hart. You will realise most of what Acharya S has to say is absolute rubbish.
I’m also an Aussie-Greek, btw! If you are really interested in the issues – study them at a uni or get your hands on some real scholarly works. It is what I am doing, and I’ll soon be starting doctoral studies soon!
Thanks Ari very helpfull.
“You will notice that their thorough scholarly method is a far cry from Acharya’s self-published works.”
Please be advised that this person’s remarks indicate that he has not even read my books. From those he has recommended, it would appear that he is a Christian apologist.
In my works, I have used many primary sources, with a variety of translations, as well as research from hundreds of sources in a number of different languages. As concerns my book on Egypt in specific, I utilized over 900 sources, including many modern Egyptologists whose works were published by Routledge as well as E.J. Brill.
“You will realise most of what Acharya S has to say is absolute rubbish.”
Again, I submit that this individual does not know my work at all. If he did, he would know that I dedicate an enormous amount of space to the commentaries of these highly credentialed individuals as well as these primary sources, which I often quote in the original languages, as well as providing a variety of translations.
“Please be advised that this person’s remarks indicate that he has not even read my books.”
Pardon? Acharya S, I have read a number of your works and they often leave me bewildered. The most recent work of yours I read was a recent PDF article you posted on FreeThoughtNation in the thread “Newly Updated “The Origins of Christianity”. It was rather interesting – you quoting Gerald Massey of all people as authoritative in claiming Revelation was written over 4,000 years ago. Oh, and there great Sun book became the Bible comment. They really gave me a giggle, so kudos in that regard.
“From those he has recommended, it would appear that he is a Christian apologist.”
I recommended James D.G. Dunn, one of the worlds foremost New Testament scholars for example. There is nothing apologetic about his over 1000 page work of reputable historical scholarship.
“Again, I submit that this individual does not know my work at all”
Why do you keep repeating this obviously false claim? Is it the only defence of your work you can muster up?
Pretty pathetic.
Acharya S, something that has to be asked. If your thesis is so scholarly and well worked, why haven’t you had it published in the academic peer-review? Why no appearance at the Society of Biblical Literature annual conference this week? Where is the line of scholarly monograph publishers?
And it would be appreciated if you answered with something other than accusations of not reading your work.
Ari:”this obviously false claim?”
I don’t think it’s obviously false, at all. I also don’t think it would matter to you …would it? You’re way too vague dude. Smells of christian biased.
Ari: “why haven’t you had it published in the academic peer-review?”
By whom? A bunch of biased christian fable believers? Is there a governing body of work in the study of Astrotheology & comparative religion?
If citing specific examples from her work is too vague, well, what else can I do? You are obviously too bias and closed minded to even read what is on the screen in front of you. Now, Ken, other than flaunt your ignorance of the peer-review process, I would rather Acharya answer herself.
Ari “Gerald Massey of all people as authoritative in claiming Revelation was written over 4,000 years ago.”
Actually, if you knew anything about Gerald Massey, you’d know that he was quite peer reviewed from the top Egyptologists of his day. And, if you were paying attention, she didn’t say Massey claimed the book of Revelation was written 4,000 years ago. She said Revelation “represents” a very ancient text, which, if you had studied the subject you would know he points to the ancient Egyptian writings, some of which definitely date to 4,000 years ago.
Here’s a link to some of Massey’s work explaining the Egyptian connection of “Revelation.”
http://tinyurl.com/yaa347p
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/who-is-gerald-massey.html
You could actually do your own research, instead of cackling.
Other than having read “Origins,” which you apparently did just now after she challenged you about not having read her work, what have you read? Your comments sound like you don’t know her work. Have you read “Who Was Jesus?” or “Christ in Egypt?” These are very scholarly works that have been peer reviewed – take a look here at her “Who Was Jesus?” page –
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html
Again, your comments indicated you hadn’t read that book or any other, since you were obviously wrong.
“Christ in Egypt” has been reviewed by Dr. Robert M. Price, and it’s been taught in at least one college course.
Ari “why haven’t you had it published in the academic peer-review?”
She has. You’re just obviously completely unaware of it.
A simple cursory search would give more info on this issue. But don’t bother doing any of that when it’s much easier to smear Acharya in order to shore up your faith at all costs.
Ari – “If citing specific examples from her work is too vague, well, what else can I do? You are obviously too bias and closed minded to even read what is on the screen in front of you”
You mentioned only two issues you have (from only one newsletter)
and you only “mention” them… with no context. So it’s not obvious, at all, that you are familiar with Acharya’s work. Why would you think it would be? Do you think that the world revolves around you?
Ari – “Now, Ken, other than flaunt your ignorance of the peer-review process, I would rather Acharya answer herself.
You’ve never met me or had one conversation with me yet, somehow you claim to know, what I know, about the scientific peer review process? How rich!
So, “mind reader”…I ask again who do you think is unbiased & qualified to peer review a subject that has yet to be recognized as legitimate by the main stream? Exactly what journal would touch it?
No, I mentioned two outrageous examples from a work she published, not a newsletter. If you had read my words, instead of jumping to false attacks calling me a vague apologists, you would have realised this. But instead, you prefer your zeal of ignorance and attakced.
If you want, I can give a lot of examples from her work The Christ Conspiracy. Take her opening point on persecution. Is she unaware of the well documented Decian and Diocletian persecutions? Or does she simply ignore this to push her fictitious position that Christians being persecuted was a myth.
Should I mention how she has no idea how her claims that Constantine destroyed the gospel autographs, and they were later edited in the 6th century by Emperor Anastasius when we actually have manuscripts before and after this which show no evidence of this claim.
Is she aware that despite her claims that the Gospels were forged at the end of the second century, that we have literary and documentary evidence from before that time? Is she aware that her claims that Marcion’s second century edition of Luke cannot possibly be the source of the gospels, as anyone with any sort of education in the synoptic problem would know?
Really, Ken, your criticisms on me are on par with Acharya’s ridiculous writing. Bias, and blind.
Thanks for the laughs, Aziz. But no, Gerald Massey is not a well respected Egyptologist. He was a hobbyist Egyptologist, and not a reputable source that you will find in modern academic works on Egyptology. Real Egyptologists are people like Assmann and Hornung. And quoting Acharya herself on how great Massey is won’t change that.
Now, to your point on Revelation, she states “rather than having been written by any apostle called John during the 1st century AD/CE.” Instead of it being composed in the 1st century, she puts forward the argument that it is a 4,000 year old text. If you could find someone who agrees (reputable NT scholar or Egyptologist) that would be great. I know you won’t, but start your quest.
Now, we find that the best you guys can come up with is “you haven’t read my/her work.” I already said, think of something new. I have read her work, I have quoted her work, I have made reference to numerous examples from her work. Will you give up already, it really shows the straws you are grasping at.
You claim her work is peer-reviewed? Hahaha. I don’t think reviews by non-scholars like Kenneth Humphrey’s or whoever Harvey Diamond of “Fit for Life” quite meets peer-review.
So, to summarise your argument. You claimed (1) I haven’t read her work and (2) I was wrong about her being peer-reviewed. Evidently, you were wrong on both points. Her work has gone through no peer-review process, it has not been published by any refereed publisher, and her work has not been presented at any scholarly conferences like SBL. I don’t know, is it that you choose not to read my words and don’t understand what peer-review is – or did you just want to bang on the keyboard without a second thought?
I suspect that “Ari” is the same person as the previous troll “Kenn Thomas” who got banned from here for spreading similar hate and other assorted trash. I request that whoever is moderating this forum here ban “Ari” and delete his trash as well. He is nothing but a troll. Not sure why you’re allowing such hatred and vitriol be posted in the first place. If you can’t moderate this article then just lock it for Christ’s sakes.
Ari “…you will find in modern academic works on Egyptology. Real Egyptologists are people like Assmann and Hornung.”
LOL, precisely the same sources used by Acharya to verify and confirm Gerald Massey’s work. If you read her work you’d already know that. And nothing in your comment changes the fact that Gerald Massey was quite thoroughly peer reviewed by the top Egyptologists of his era, PERIOD.
Ari or whoever you really are, if you had anything of substance to say here it’s impossible to see due to all of the hatred & vitriol. You’re nothing but a TROLL!!! Go get completely OBSESSED with something else. Knitting, yes knitting, go see how crazy you can get with that.
Aziz, I have no idea who Kenn Thomas is nor do I care. What I do know is that you refuse to answer my objections so instead you lie about me being a troll. That’s just pathetic. It seems you are too scared to move outside your comfort zone so you block your ears and hide from every opposing view point.
I get really tired of people like Aziz. They say that people like Ari are spreading hate, when Aziz’ last post is the most hate filled item in this whole thread. I am not defending Ari’s views, but, he is entitled to them.
Scott: Nice comment. I too agree, you may not agree with the posts put forth by Ari but by all means he is entitled to his opinions. I agree also that the hate here lies with Aziz not Ari. I have read virtually everything Acharya has written whether online, downloaded PDF’s or published works. I find here most through and extremely well cited. EVERYTHING she states CAN be traced and researched and verified. The only difference lies in your – the readers – ability to see and understand past the fairy tells that have been drummed into you subconscious all of your life. NO true evidence of an historical figure named Jesus Christ (a title by the way not a name) has or ever will exist. How could there be historical evidence? The evidence apologists use can be deduced to about 10 lines of text. Wow! For a figure that “changed” the world you would think there would be volumes of “provable” history. There is none.
Get over the idea that these myths are true. Jesus belongs in the same category as ALL other myths. Unprovable hogwash. Early mans attempt to make sense of that which they did not understand. A lighting bolt was a god they gave it a personality and name it Zeus.
As with all religion, which should be erased out the minds of the human race, what early man didn’t understand they created a god in an attempt to make sense of. If there were – and is a big IF – one god – especially the christian god, him be so jealous of his creation – there would be ONE religion. If there were on other gods in the world why, then, is the first commandment “I am the Lord your God You shall have no other gods before me”. Does this one statement NOT say it all.
Scott “I get really tired of people like Aziz…”
The fact remains, it has been demonstrated here repeatedly that “Ari” absolutely does NOT know Acharya’s work and in his “specific examples” has been shown to be wrong. Ari’s first comment here called her work “absolute rubbish,” his views on Gerald Massey were demonstrated to be utterly false…
Ari claimed “…you will find in modern academic works on Egyptology. Real Egyptologists are people like Assmann and Hornung.”
When they are precisely the same sources used by Acharya to verify and confirm Gerald Massey’s work. What part of that did you not understand, Scott? That’s what trolls do -make totally fallacious claims like that which smear & libel an authors work that they really know very little about. It’s far beyond just an opinion & you should know that. Someone has to have the balls & integrity to point out those falsehoods by Ari.
Ari “I can give a lot of examples from her work The Christ Conspiracy….”
Everything following that comment Ari claims she doesn’t mention *IS* mentioned in “The Christ Conspiracy.” Ari would know that if he actually read her book rather than plucking out bits & pieces to use as strawman arguments. Ari has no clue what he’s talking about when it comes to Acharya’s work.
Where is Ari’s inerrant scholarly masterpiece book and by what scholarly publisher? What has Ari published at the SBL or AAR etc?
I have read and *OWN ALL OF Acharya’s works* and know for a fact that Ari is making a stream of fallacious & false claims. I make absolutely no apology for chewing out trolls who smear & libel an authors work they know very little about. It’s about time people demand intellectual honesty and integrity and give trolls, like Ari, the back-handed bitch-slap they deserve.
Thanks Scott and Terry for not calling for my execution like others around here. Sorry, Aziz, but you can continue to claim what you want – but you still haven’t interacted with my post. I cited specific examples, you ignored them and continue with your empty rhetoric. Your repeated ad hominem and various childish attacks have achieved nothing for you.
Look, Aziz, here is your chance to back yourself up. You stated, “Everything following that comment Ari claims she doesn’t mention *IS* mentioned in “The Christ Conspiracy.”” If that is correct, then can you please show me where Acharya deals with my objections inside the Christ Conspiracy. I raised:
1. In Chapter 1 of The Christ Conspiracyn, she seems to be unaware of the well documented Decian and Diocletian persecutions against Christians. As you stated I was incorrect, can you please point to where she mentions them.
2. In chapter three, she claims the “autographs’ of the NT documents were destroyed at Nicaea. Where is the evidence for this. On what basis does she believe these autographs would have survived until then? She goes on to say that the NT documents were edited in the 6th century by Emperor Anastasius. Where does she deal with the fact that we have (1) independent pre-6th century text types and (2) numerous complete copies of the various NT books before and after the 6th century which prove this to be false. A page number or quote from the Christ Conspiracy would be fine.
3. You claimed that I was wrong in pointing out that she is unaware that form criticism precludes her claims about Marcion’s edition of Luke’s gospel being the source of the gospels. Could you please quote where she talks about works such as those by Casey or Goodacre on the synoptic problem.
4. You stated I was wrong, so could you please quote where in ‘The Christ Conspiracy’ she mentions that her claims about the gospels being composed in the late second century are rejected by contemporary scholarship. Similarly, that we have (1) quotations and (2) physical manuscripts from before this period which renders this claim fanciful.
So yeah, just point out where Acharya S makes note of this evidence in ‘The Christ Conspiracy’. You don’t want everyone to realise (if they haven’t already) that you were just lying in order to slander me, do you?
Truly pathetic. Just because I disagree with your personal claims, doesn’t mean you need to lie about me calling for me to be “bitch slapped”, etc.
In all honesty, I don’t know why I am bothering with Aziz. The only thing he has done is lied about me in order to attack me because he doesn’t like what I have said. I see no reason to bother with such closed mindedness any longer. Have fun slandering me without me.
Are you the same Ari who on Wiki says he’s a Christian and a member of the Eastern Orthodox Christian church? You are hardly an unbiased commentator.
* SIGH *
Ari “Sorry, Aziz, but you can continue to claim what you want – but you still haven’t interacted with my post. I cited specific examples, you ignored them and continue with your empty rhetoric. Your repeated ad hominem and various childish attacks have achieved nothing for you.’
LMAO! That’s a knee-slapper since it is you, Ari, who is calling the kettle black. Further evidence that you are a TROLL can be demonstrated by your trashing of Acharya’s Wikipedia page – “Ari89″ – even as I write:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Writings_of_D.M._Murdock&action=history
As I was looking at her wiki page All of your trash was removed Ari. And then, as I clicked on the discussion and went back you were already there again spreading your TROLL TRASH. You keep trying to post quotes from people who’ve never read Acharya’s works. You are completely OBSESSED with trashing, smearing and libeling her however you can – wherever you can get away with it.
The trash you keep trying to put into Acharya’s wiki page comes from the Christian extremist apologist JP Holding http://www.tektonics.org and other apologist websites who often get their info from JP Holding who, in fact has absolutely no relevant qualifications, credentials or degrees. He cannot read, write or speak any other biblical languages and this is your HERO!!?? Yep, you are a TROLL.
Acharya has dealt with Licona and Holding and no further response to them is needed.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/licona.htm
http://www.truthbeknown.com/holding.htm
Ari “If that is correct, then can you please show me…”
I knew you’d say that –
Your 1. “Diocletian” is mentioned and discussed in 4 of her 5 books to date. You need to read the damn books you pretend to be an expert on Ari. I would give you all the citations but I have a policy against SPOON-FEEDING TROLLS who going around the net trashing an authors works they’ve never read.
Your 2. etc, If you read the book rather than snippet views at Google books you’d quickly learn how you’ve MUCKED it all up. Demonstrating once again that you have not read the book, rather, you are reading snippets from Google books. The same goes for the rest of your rhetoric/propaganda BS.
You really are a pathetic liar Ari. Lying through your tooth.
And why didn’t you answer my question Ari?:
“Where is Ari’s inerrant scholarly masterpiece book and by what scholarly publisher? What has Ari published at the SBL or AAR etc?”
This is awesome. I knew you couldn’t answer – and you haven’t. You pretended to answer 1 of the numerous points – however, you failed miserably on both. For my “1″ is it that you lied about it being mentioned in “The Christ Conspiracy” because you still haven’t shown that it was. And for my “2″ you didn’t actually say anything relevant. That is very sad.
I have to say, will you get over the childish abuse and name calling. First I was some Kenneth guy, now I am Wikipedia. You know what, I’m also Barrack Obama. And the Pope. And together we form the Masons.
Anything but honesty with you. Also, try not to be so angry!
* SIGH *
Still calling the kettle black – got nothing else to offer, obviously, do you Ari?
You’ve been caught red-handed at Wiki trashing Acharya’s wiki page, Ari and now you’re here trolling. It’s quite clear that you’re OBSESSED with Acharya S – I wonder if you OCD.
The fact remains that you have been basing your 1 & 2 of snippet views from Google because you have *NOT* read the book. If you read the book you’d see how silly your arguments are. And you’d see how you’re embarrassing yourself here. Those who actually have her books can see how you’re just a troll smearing & libeling an author who’s works you’ve never read.
And for the 3rd time, why didn’t you answer my question Ari?:
“Where is Ari’s inerrant scholarly masterpiece book and by what scholarly publisher? What has Ari published at the SBL or AAR etc?”
If you’re a member of the SBL then prove it – they have a public membership list. Show us your name on the list.
Yawn, you still haven’t defended against my objections. The best you can do is claim I haven’t read the book – yet you agreed that I was correct about her not mentioning things like the Diocletian persecutions which completely undermined her claim! Are you schizophrenic or suffering from memory loss? Either way it is sad that you choose such dishonest and abusive tactics instead of facing the challenge.
Pretty pathetic.
So once again:
Look, Aziz, here is your chance to back yourself up. You stated, “Everything following that comment Ari claims she doesn’t mention *IS* mentioned in “The Christ Conspiracy.”” If that is correct, then can you please show me where Acharya deals with my objections inside the Christ Conspiracy. I raised:
1. In Chapter 1 of The Christ Conspiracyn, she seems to be unaware of the well documented Decian and Diocletian persecutions against Christians. As you stated I was incorrect, can you please point to where she mentions them.
2. In chapter three, she claims the “autographs’ of the NT documents were destroyed at Nicaea. Where is the evidence for this. On what basis does she believe these autographs would have survived until then? She goes on to say that the NT documents were edited in the 6th century by Emperor Anastasius. Where does she deal with the fact that we have (1) independent pre-6th century text types and (2) numerous complete copies of the various NT books before and after the 6th century which prove this to be false. A page number or quote from the Christ Conspiracy would be fine.
3. You claimed that I was wrong in pointing out that she is unaware that form criticism precludes her claims about Marcion’s edition of Luke’s gospel being the source of the gospels. Could you please quote where she talks about works such as those by Casey or Goodacre on the synoptic problem.
4. You stated I was wrong, so could you please quote where in ‘The Christ Conspiracy’ she mentions that her claims about the gospels being composed in the late second century are rejected by contemporary scholarship. Similarly, that we have (1) quotations and (2) physical manuscripts from before this period which renders this claim fanciful.
So yeah, just point out where Acharya S makes note of this evidence in ‘The Christ Conspiracy’. You don’t want everyone to realise (if they haven’t already) that you were just lying in order to slander me, do you?
Truly pathetic. Just because I disagree with your personal claims, doesn’t mean you need to lie about me calling for me to be “bitch slapped”, etc.
Still calling the kettle black – you’ve got nothing else to offer, obviously, do you Ari?
You’ve been caught red-handed at Wiki trashing Acharya’s wiki page, Ari and now you’re here trolling. It’s quite clear that you’re OBSESSED with Acharya S
Already address Ari – of course, you don’t know it because you have obviously not actually read the book.
Your 1. “Diocletian” issue is discussed in 4 of her 5 books to date. You need to read the damn books you pretend to be an expert on, Ari. I would give you all the citations but I have a policy against SPOON-FEEDING TROLLS who going around the net trashing, smearing & libeling an authors works they’ve never read. It’s pure intellectual dishonesty and that is all you have to offer here. You’re just another biased Christian extremist out to shore up your faith all costs – even if it means smearing and libeling the works of living breathing human beings. You’re a disgrace, Ari.
Your 2. etc, If you read the book rather than snippet views at Google books you’d quickly learn how you’ve MUCKED it all up. Demonstrating once again that you have not read the book, rather, you are reading snippets from Google books. The same goes for the rest of your rhetoric/propaganda BS.”
And for the 4th time, why didn’t you answer my question Ari?:
“Where is Ari’s inerrant scholarly masterpiece book and by what scholarly publisher? What has Ari published at the SBL or AAR etc?”
If you’re a member of the SBL then prove it – they have a public membership list. Show us your name on the list.
You are a pathetic liar and a troll with OCD, Ari. Get some help.
So once again:
Look, Aziz, here is your chance to back yourself up. You stated, “Everything following that comment Ari claims she doesn’t mention *IS* mentioned in “The Christ Conspiracy.”” If that is correct, then can you please show me where Acharya deals with my objections inside the Christ Conspiracy. I raised:
1. In Chapter 1 of The Christ Conspiracyn, she seems to be unaware of the well documented Decian and Diocletian persecutions against Christians. As you stated I was incorrect, can you please point to where she mentions them.
2. In chapter three, she claims the “autographs’ of the NT documents were destroyed at Nicaea. Where is the evidence for this. On what basis does she believe these autographs would have survived until then? She goes on to say that the NT documents were edited in the 6th century by Emperor Anastasius. Where does she deal with the fact that we have (1) independent pre-6th century text types and (2) numerous complete copies of the various NT books before and after the 6th century which prove this to be false. A page number or quote from the Christ Conspiracy would be fine.
3. You claimed that I was wrong in pointing out that she is unaware that form criticism precludes her claims about Marcion’s edition of Luke’s gospel being the source of the gospels. Could you please quote where she talks about works such as those by Casey or Goodacre on the synoptic problem.
4. You stated I was wrong, so could you please quote where in ‘The Christ Conspiracy’ she mentions that her claims about the gospels being composed in the late second century are rejected by contemporary scholarship. Similarly, that we have (1) quotations and (2) physical manuscripts from before this period which renders this claim fanciful.
So yeah, just point out where Acharya S makes note of this evidence in ‘The Christ Conspiracy’. You don’t want everyone to realise (if they haven’t already) that you were just lying in order to slander me, do you?
Truly pathetic. Just because I disagree with your personal claims, doesn’t mean you need to lie about me calling for me to be “bitch slapped”, etc.
[I don't really expect an answer from you now, but maybe you'll step up.]
Yawn, you still haven’t defended against my objections. The best you can do is claim I haven’t read the book – yet you agreed that I was correct about her not mentioning things like the Diocletian persecutions which completely undermined her claim! Are you schizophrenic or suffering from memory loss? Either way it is sad that you choose such dishonest and abusive tactics instead of facing the challenge.
Pretty pathetic.
Hello Ari! Looks like they let the monkey out of the Zoo! I have been following your useless spiels and rather than answering any of your questions or cliams HERE, I would rather just take note of your arrogant, sleazy, lying, cherry-picking distractions as the fruit of crazed ‘Jesus-fairy” believer. I am glad Aziz has not spoon fed you, what you should know if you read her works. Neither will I spoon feed you.
I will take you to task for your disrepectful attitude toward the guest here, as well the trashing of people who can no longer defend themselves (not to mention the contributors to this interview). Nor is this the place to discuss such matters..re: the Jesus myth, the authority of someone like Gerald Massey and others, including the author’s works. You know where to go for that. Otherwise, I objectively see you as the trashing troll that you are. Very Christian of you!
I really don’t care what your opinion is. It’s your rediculous attitude that reveals itself. I found I have wasted my time following your threads here, but I forced myself to do so. What I learned was enough to convince me that you haven’t a clue what you are talking about. I could expect no less from a believer in a ‘poof’ fairy tale. ‘Poofs’ always lack credibility when they resort to subterfuge to uphold the ‘integrity’ of their imaginary lovers.
Pretty pathetic is an apt description to apply to yourself. So, I will end on that note. You can find me in lots of places, if you want to take offense from my observation of your lack of…well anything worthwhile in this area of thought or anything else for that matter!
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