Comments on: Death Panels and the continued Republican credibility hemorrhage http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:39:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Corinne (Cronkite) Ouellette http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-3096 Corinne (Cronkite) Ouellette Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:53:16 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-3096 I would like to know how Walter Cronkite died since we share the same last name. I would like to know how Walter Cronkite died since we share the same last name.

]]> By: George http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-2082 George Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:43:51 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-2082 Here is another article worth reading. It is a well-balanced commentary on the whole "death panel" discussion. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html Here is another article worth reading. It is a well-balanced commentary on the whole “death panel” discussion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html

]]> By: George http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-2081 George Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:35:51 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-2081 I recommend the following article, written by Cornell Law Professor, William Jacobson, which explains that Palin's comment was based on published views of Obama health care advisors, particularly Dr. Ezekial Emanuel (brother of Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel). Here is an excerpt: "While Emanuel does not use the term "death panel," Palin put that term in quotation marks to signify the concept of medical decisions based on the perceived societal worth of an individual, not literally a "death panel." And in so doing, Palin was true to Dr. Emanuel's concept of a system which considers prognosis, since its aim is to achieve complete lives. A young person with a poor prognosis has had a few life-years but lacks the potential to live a complete life. Considering prognosis forestalls the concern the disproportionately large amounts of resources will be directed to young people with poor prognoses. When the worst-off can benefit only slightly while better-off people could benefit greatly, allocating to the better-off is often justifiable.... "When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated. "Put together the concepts of prognosis and age, and Dr. Emanuel's proposal reasonably could be construed as advocating the withholding of some level of medical treatment (probably not basic care, but likely expensive advanced care) to a baby born with Down Syndrome. You may not like this implication, but it is Dr. Emanuel's implication not Palin's." http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/inconvenient-truth-about-death-panel.html Secondly, it seems odd and a bit incoherent to assert that there is "no such thing" but that it was a Republican "who wrote the provision into the healthcare bill." Maybe you want to clarify...you can't have it both ways... I recommend the following article, written by Cornell Law Professor, William Jacobson, which explains that Palin’s comment was based on published views of Obama health care advisors, particularly Dr. Ezekial Emanuel (brother of Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel). Here is an excerpt:

“While Emanuel does not use the term “death panel,” Palin put that term in quotation marks to signify the concept of medical decisions based on the perceived societal worth of an individual, not literally a “death panel.” And in so doing, Palin was true to Dr. Emanuel’s concept of a system which considers prognosis, since its aim is to achieve complete lives. A young person with a poor prognosis has had a few life-years but lacks the potential to live a complete life. Considering prognosis forestalls the concern the disproportionately large amounts of resources will be directed to young people with poor prognoses. When the worst-off can benefit only slightly while better-off people could benefit greatly, allocating to the better-off is often justifiable….

“When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.

“Put together the concepts of prognosis and age, and Dr. Emanuel’s proposal reasonably could be construed as advocating the withholding of some level of medical treatment (probably not basic care, but likely expensive advanced care) to a baby born with Down Syndrome. You may not like this implication, but it is Dr. Emanuel’s implication not Palin’s.”

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/inconvenient-truth-about-death-panel.html

Secondly, it seems odd and a bit incoherent to assert that there is “no such thing” but that it was a Republican “who wrote the provision into the healthcare bill.” Maybe you want to clarify…you can’t have it both ways…

]]> By: Tracy Walker http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-2065 Tracy Walker Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:09:22 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-2065 I agree with David here. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - dip it in honey and orange and bake it. I agree with David here. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck – dip it in honey and orange and bake it.

]]> By: David Shankbone http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-2055 David Shankbone Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:18:22 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-2055 I seriously doubt Mike was a Democratic voter if *this* post made him want to vote Republican. I seriously doubt Mike was a Democratic voter if *this* post made him want to vote Republican.

]]> By: Eleanor http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-2052 Eleanor Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:00:30 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-2052 I hope for that too, Tracy, but apparently it didn't with Mike, the previous poster. I hope for that too, Tracy, but apparently it didn’t with Mike, the previous poster.

]]> By: Tracy Walker http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-2049 Tracy Walker Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:56:54 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-2049 Well done, David. I shared this on Facebook, hopefully it will educate at least a few. Well done, David. I shared this on Facebook, hopefully it will educate at least a few.

]]> By: Mike http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-2048 Mike Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:28:42 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-2048 David Shankbone, I am an independent (formerly a long time democrat)and after careful review of your comments, I am of the opinion that it should be intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer, that you are full of prunes! Notwithstanding the above, thank you for validating my decision to leave the democratic party, which has changed from a party that represents middle America to a party that reprepresents select,far-left-wing interest groups. Get the party out of the far left ditch and back to the middle of the road. David Shankbone,
I am an independent (formerly a long time democrat)and after careful review of your comments, I am of the opinion that it should be intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer, that you are full of prunes!
Notwithstanding the above, thank you for validating my decision to leave the democratic party, which has changed from a party that represents middle America to a party that reprepresents select,far-left-wing interest groups. Get the party out of the far left ditch and back to the middle of the road.

]]> By: Eleanor http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/08/11/death-panels-and-the-continued-republican-credibility-hemorrhage/comment-page-1/#comment-2045 Eleanor Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:28:17 +0000 http://blog.shankbone.org/?p=2899#comment-2045 This just in regarding Glenn Beck, courtesy of The Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/geico-pulls-its-ads-from_b_256724.html This just in regarding Glenn Beck, courtesy of The Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/geico-pulls-its-ads-from_b_256724.html

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